Curse

Darkobra · Oct 29, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

And then there's the downright divine...

DreamRunner · Oct 29, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

It's an exploit, plain and simple. Ignorance is only bliss to an extent. Then it just runs right into stupidity.

Stupid? I thought that pushing an system to its boundaries is a good thing. I don't see how it isn't.

YunSooJin · Oct 29, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

An exploit of what? A feature? If this was a bug exploit, why hasn't it been fixed - or, at the very least, why hasn't Anet issued warnings or statements about it? As another poster above indicated, Anet is aware of the problem and apparently doesn't consider it an issue worthy of attention. Kind of different from duping and rep point bug exploitation, isn't it?

No no, we should just measure everyone with our own arbitrary set of standards and then stand around calling them morally corrupt and obviously retarded.

I mean, if >I< think you're cheating, then you must be cheating, right? Right? Let's not even get into the discussion of what is 'lame', because who knows what different individuals would consider to be 'lame'.

Kakumei · Oct 29, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Syncing is cheating, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it's not a hell of a lot more fun than vanilla play. Until Anet implements punishments for it, I'm going to keep doing it.

Malice Black · Oct 29, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Morally corrupt lol I really don't care enough to impose my standards on anyone here.

I posted my view, having a view doesn't mean I care. Sync, don't sync, doesn't effect me either way. If I wanted glad points, I wouldn't farm newbs for them. I have standards you see...

Poor horse, somebody flogged him to death, shame on you!

Lady Lozza · Oct 29, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

TBH I don't have a problem with people syncing in holiday arenas. There is no real reward here for such wins, nothing that can't easily be obtained elsewhere - unless it gives gamer points(?), in which case I'd probably side wtih those who say it's an exploit and should possibly be fixed. Having said that holiday arenas being so popular it is very, very hard to get sync enter to work.

RA is another matter. I don't think it should be allowed and I would have hoped that Anet would have done something about it by now.

PvE missions (the whole two that there are), I've no problem with syncing.

Darkobra · Oct 29, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Duplicating was morally corrupt too. I mean imagine wanting loads of wealth in an online game. No exploit was involved in that either! It was game mechanics involved! Wanna go synch in RA with me? I mean there's no penalty for leaving and trying again. It's obviously acceptable if there's no fix or dishonour involved.

I know. Too easy. I am a cruel man picking off the weak and vulnerable. It makes me no better.

Darkobra · Oct 29, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

TBH I don't have a problem with people syncing in holiday arenas. There is no real reward here for such wins, nothing that can't easily be obtained elsewhere - unless it gives gamer points(?), in which case I'd probably side wtih those who say it's an exploit and should possibly be fixed. Having said that holiday arenas being so popular it is very, very hard to get sync enter to work.

RA is another matter. I don't think it should be allowed and I would have hoped that Anet would have done something about it by now.

PvE missions (the whole two that there are), I've no problem with syncing.

7 gamer points per win.

Bryant Again · Oct 29, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02

This situation seems very similar to having twinks in WoW. In both situations people say it "ruins other people's fun", but those who are for say "but anyone can do it".

DreamRunner · Oct 29, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Duplicating was morally corrupt too. I mean imagine wanting loads of wealth in an online game. No exploit was involved in that either! It was game mechanics involved! Wanna go synch in RA with me? I mean there's no penalty for leaving and trying again. It's obviously acceptable if there's no fix or dishonour involved.

I know. Too easy. I am a cruel man picking off the weak and vulnerable. It makes me no better.

Sync in RA doesn't even come close to the more extreme of duplicating. But I guess in your mentality, everything is black and white. I mean if sync RA and duplicating was in the same area, then I guess stealing a loaf of bread is the same as stealing the Federal Reserve Bank.

Lady Lozza · Oct 29, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

7 gamer points per win.

Yeah, wasn't sure. Don't really pay much attn to this title track. The issue with sync enter is holiday arenas is this: these games are fun to play with friends and can be annoying as hell if you end up in a group where you get called all sorts of nasty things by your "team mates". Playing with friends in arenas is (often) more fun than playing with randoms - hence why I prefer TA and HA over RA. However I've no doubt that a large proportion of players try to sync to earn easy victory and easy points (this is definately the case in RA). Yes anyone can do it - but it defeats the purpose of "randomness", which allows anyone to play at any time regardless of whether their friends or guildies are online.

As some have already noted, because there is no team option, it makes it (holiday arenas) something of a dilema. I'm not into this particular title track myself, so sync entering does not bother me personally, but I can see the problem - and certainly when it comes to random arenas I think something should be done. I've a friend who RAs religiously and he can't stand ending up in a sync enter team only to have the rest quit because #4 didn't make it in.

darkknightkain · Oct 29, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Sync in RA doesn't even come close to the more extreme of duplicating. But I guess in your mentality, everything is black and white. I mean if sync RA and duplicating was in the same area, then I guess stealing a loaf of bread is the same as stealing the Federal Reserve Bank.

QFT. Syncers and Leavers are miles worse than Duping.
Syncers and Leavers are directly and repeatedly ruining other people'e fun. For Duping, it just came and gone without doing any actual lasting effect.

IMO Anet should also add the dishonour status to Vizunah Square and Unwaking Waters too. The syncers and leavers there are also terrible.

YunSooJin · Oct 29, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Worse than duping?

I'm speechless.

EDIT: I guess you must be the mental giant while ANET is a group of retards who can't do their job, seeing as how they prioritized punishing dupers wayyy more than sync joiners and leavers in RA..lol.

Zinger314 · Oct 29, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

This situation seems very similar to having twinks in WoW. In both situations people say it "ruins other people's fun", but those who are for say "but anyone can do it".

Not even close. Any BG PvP in WoW below lv. 70 is irrelevant.

This argument is similar to the power of WoW BG Premades (which Blizzard actually intends and is not an exploit)...which everyone one can say is too infrequent to matter.

I've never seen synching in RA before...

Darkobra · Oct 29, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Sync in RA doesn't even come close to the more extreme of duplicating. But I guess in your mentality, everything is black and white. I mean if sync RA and duplicating was in the same area, then I guess stealing a loaf of bread is the same as stealing the Federal Reserve Bank.

Stealing to live for another day, being caught and being fed in prison? Yeah.
Abusing a bug regardless of what the bug is and saying "It's not my problem so it's not a bug"? There's black and white, and then there's just plain denial.

Bryant Again · Oct 29, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Not even close. Any BG PvP in WoW below lv. 70 is irrelevant.

So is the costume bash, being totally irrlevant. But people are still getting fed up over both of them.

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

This argument is similar to the power of WoW BG Premades (which Blizzard actually intends and is not an exploit)...which everyone one can say is too infrequent to matter.

Battleground premades are nearly just like guild groups in TA or ABs: Sure, you can pug them, but you're going to be more successful when you plan it together with your friends.

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I've never seen synching in RA before...

Due/thanks to reporting, it'll be seen a lot less.

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Worse than duping?

I'm speechless.

Considering that there is very little to damage (what, vanity item prices? the "economylol"?) I can see how one could consider it worse than duping.

DreamRunner · Oct 29, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Stealing to live for another day, being caught and being fed in prison? Yeah.
Abusing a bug regardless of what the bug is and saying "It's not my problem so it's not a bug"? There's black and white, and then there's just plain denial.

Denial? I'm not denying anything. I do have gone into sync RA with a guidie because they were only two of us. Is sync RA meant to be? No, but if anet wanted fix it and make it such a big issue as you claim it to be, then why did it take so long for the dishonor system to come out?

@darkknightkain I think you got what I intended to speak backwards.

Darkobra · Oct 29, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Because fixes do take time. They needed a penalty that affected legitimate leavers and synchers without affecting people who actually just got a disconnect or powercut. There can never be such a fix so they tried to make some sort of balance/deterrent. If you have a better idea, you can email support and let them know. I'd do the same, but I actually can't think of one myself.

darkknightkain · Oct 29, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Worse than duping?

I'm speechless.

EDIT: I guess you must be the mental giant while ANET is a group of retards who can't do their job, seeing as how they prioritized punishing dupers wayyy more than sync joiners and leavers in RA..lol.

Who Anet prioritized punishing way more?

Duping to anet is not even significant enough to warrant bothering to undo its damage. People who received duped items not only got off scotch-free, they even get to keep whatever they bought/exchanged from those duped items!

While for leavers, they introduced the new dishonour points system and that is here to stay. People who ditch groups now gets dishonour points, and repeatedly doing so causes delays to slow down their reentering.

That's Anet's priority right there.

Thorondor Port · Oct 29, 2007, 04:38 AM // 04:38

I disagree with alot of people here. I dont see it as cheating, heres why:

321 Spike.

Tell me, how is this different that 321 Join?